| Bashoo: |
ok, this is red face donkey |
| Bashoo: |
any1 read? kow? |
| ack: |
have read |
| yoyodyne: |
y |
| Cy&O: |
y |
| yoyodyne: |
have been |
| Bashoo: |
i thought i knew somethin abut this exercis -- bit them i
jus rered chapter, so i was hoping someone else knw somethin |
| Bashoo: |
so rd f dnky - what is? |
| mo/jan: |
I know this exercise has always been hard to do -- for me
(as I understand it) |
| Bashoo: |
ok - how? |
| mo/jan: |
weell.... I haven't read the chapter in awhile, but my
remembrance is that one is to consciously create a sitation in which one is place in an
embarrassing or humiliating experience or places oneself..... |
| mo/jan: |
any course adjustments here are welcome |
| ack: |
by insisting on something harmless but unreasonable- ? |
| Bashoo: |
to offend onesvanty |
| yoyodyne: |
I remember doing this |
| p: |
attempting to explain this is a good example |
| yoyodyne: |
exercise in our group in NYC |
| Bashoo: |
p- y |
| yoyodyne: |
many years ago |
| Bashoo: |
great! more! more! |
| yoyodyne: |
ron, you were there |
| ro-ga: |
nyc good place to practice rfd |
| mo/jan: |
heheheh |
| yoyodyne: |
because I remember it -- it was when we were all doing zen
basics and the plan was that I would touch the rock at the wrong time |
| yoyodyne: |
this was a time,for me, when we were supposed to really be
using our attention and being present.... |
| yoyodyne: |
anyway, there was a time limit the exercise would be over in
15minnits |
| yoyodyne: |
it is funny now but... it was very hard to go through with
it at the time |
| yoyodyne: |
end |
| Bashoo: |
yes in the retelling it sounds not so scary |
| ro-ga: |
thats a good one yoyo |
| yoyodyne: |
do you remember, ron, I touched the rock at the wrong time? |
| yoyodyne: |
hahahaha |
| ro-ga: |
we were trying to remember! |
| yoyodyne: |
hahahha |
| Bashoo: |
and only you were in on this? |
| yoyodyne: |
hahaha |
| Bashoo: |
cy - |
| Cy&O: |
there have been times,before i knew of the work with rfd,
when i would place myself in embarassing situations in order to confront a fear of
embarassment |
| Cy&O: |
for instance there was a time when I was afraid to speak up
in group of people far more knowledgeable than me on certain subjects |
| Cy&O: |
so I would attend kshps or seminars about things i wasn't
completely up on and make myself speak up if an idea struck now here i am ... still doing
it. |
| Cy&O: |
end |
| Bashoo: |
i found being a study cirl leader like that since many
attendees knew estoeric stuf much better than me |
| Bashoo: |
that's the hot seat -- i made it ok for myself |
| Cy&O: |
yeah |
| Bashoo: |
by realizing i was only performing a job, hosting an event,
keeping it on track, but the heat is still there |
| ro-ga: |
roger that |
| Bashoo: |
end? |
| Cy&O: |
teaching at a conservatory where professionals who've been
doing it longer than me is a lot like that -cynth end |
| Bashoo: |
ow bout u ro-ga? |
| ro-ga: |
there are a lot of 4th way pros in this town - same feeling
you described - someone was asking about objective art heehee you can imagine |
| ro-ga: |
so i had to just come back to basics but i had a few minnits
at least of good red face rtrying to explain etc |
| ro-ga: |
ga-end |
| Bashoo: |
making it up as you go does that but one idea from book i
don't think i've working with is to take an uterly rong or indefienveable position and
expound and defend it |
| Bashoo: |
anyone take that tack? |
| p: |
did it sound good when u started then the connection to
sense evaporated |
| Bashoo: |
dunno - just lost sense |
| p: |
we toy with group start up imagine it but are afraid of this |
| Bashoo: |
is startup = how to start a mtg or how to start a gourp? |
| p: |
y with people |
| Bashoo: |
yes... |
| p: |
present one self as a knower |
| mo/jan: |
ahhhh |
| p: |
it looks like a sacrifice of ones ego and community image |
| mo/jan: |
the word "knower" shifts the idea into a whole
different space |
| Cy&O: |
May I? |
| Bashoo: |
goferit |
| Cy&O: |
I recall a time In Houston (me mark) when for extra $ I
allowd a friend to book some speeches for me to give. |
| Cy&O: |
I had read the chapter and was scaraed to work with it so i
knew i had to. One morning I was the "expert" on taoism. I came in and instead
of my speech, I did a word association from an old Monty python skit. I hadn't planned on
it. i just chose to defend it as an example of Taiosm at its finest. |
| Bashoo: |
were they thinkg -- this is really deep? |
| Cy&O: |
some of them actually were, some got up and stormed out. |
| Bashoo: |
great! |
| Cy&O: |
My students just stared at me. |
| ro-ga: |
lol |
| ack: |
red-faced donkey doesn't involve making someone else look
dumb, though |
| Bashoo: |
must be harmesless to uthers |
| ack: |
just you |
| ro-ga: |
no we got enuf for ourselves |
| Bashoo: |
and harmless in reality to self |
| mo/jan: |
right |
| Bashoo: |
mo go? |
| mo/jan: |
to bring this back to peggy and dane for a moment |
| mo/jan: |
thanx bashoo |
| mo/jan: |
regarding starting a study group, presenting oneself as a
knower or expert sets up an immediate barrier. if instead, we approach the effort as
offering hospitality to other beings it opens up a very different space and you mentioned
the opinion of your community |
| mo/jan: |
briefly i will share.... as a teacher my colleagues thought
I was a little odd because of my art gallery, my group work, street fairs, etc. and in the
beginning it was hard but some shape shifting or street theatre came into play where you
can create a role for yourself the "eccentric artist" which makes more and more
activities acceptable. |
| Cy&O: |
amen |
| mo/jan: |
it is a wonderful space to be in you will rise to the
challenge and you will be offering help to others who need it |
| mo/jan: |
thank you |
| Cy&O: |
"is she insane, brilliant or both' my collegues at MMC |
| Cy&O: |
cy end |
| Bashoo: |
as far as being the knower, it can be a good strategy for
donkeyness but i didn't find it necessary for a group. my experience like mo's |
| Bashoo: |
i think people are attracted by certainty even false
certainty but you don't have to go that way instead, i was certain that what i was doing
hosting the group was a good function, also good for me |
| Bashoo: |
end |
| p: |
thanks |
| Cy&O: |
thnks |
| Bashoo: |
nothing beats dpomg a grup for red face donkey opportunities
-- buziness opportunities! |
| ro-ga: |
bashoo i lke what you were saying about the brashly wrong
approach cause it made me realize the many roles that can be used |
| mo/jan: |
that's for sure!!! |
| ro-ga: |
the jerry lewis, the danny kaye, etc |
| ro-ga: |
any others? |
| Bashoo: |
cy did monty python |
| Cy&O: |
the Richard Prye |
| mo/jan: |
curly stooge |
| mo/jan: |
hehehe |
| Bashoo: |
also that "eccentric artist" |
| ack: |
i wish i had the book handy |
| ro-ga: |
nyuk nyuk nyuk |
| Cy&O: |
oh yeah |
| Bashoo: |
ack got story? |
| ack: |
those guys are all popular enough to be famous , though.i
don' think that qualifies |
| Cy&O: |
ahhh |
| ro-ga: |
k, your poorbly right, just came tomind as models |
| mo/jan: |
roles to play |
| Bashoo: |
one challenging red face donkey for me has been musical
performance |
| ack: |
real rfd isn't well liked |
| Bashoo: |
ack go on |
| ack: |
i think that was mostly all -- if you look cool at the same
time, i think that's probably something else |
| ack: |
maybe |
| ack: |
harder to look like an idiot with no redeeming features, at
that moment , anyway |
| Bashoo: |
that true. i been realizing that some of my regular rfd
roles are too habitual |
| Bashoo: |
looking cool buffers effect |
| ro-ga: |
Joe Camel could never do red faced donkey |
| Cy&O: |
he does spit though |
| p: |
the Simpsons have ways to get out |
| Bashoo: |
simpsons? |
| Cy&O: |
so in order for it to be honest rfd you must risk being
outcast, yes? |
| ack: |
harmless |
| Bashoo: |
delicate line, since no real risk for self only risk for
vanity |
| mo/jan: |
I am not this..... |
| Cy&O: |
k, tthanks for clarify |
| Cy&O: |
sorry go mo |
| mo/jan: |
that was it |
| Bashoo: |
i am not this good remembering during rfd |
| ro-ga: |
k |
| Bashoo: |
i think we're coming up on the end soon |
| Bashoo: |
at least if next workshop on time |
| Bashoo: |
youoyouo? |
| mo/jan: |
bashoo |
| mo/jan: |
yoyo not here right now |
| Bashoo: |
mo know? |
| mo/jan: |
the next workshop is the GODD workshop |
| mo/jan: |
from eight to ten, |
| mo/jan: |
the godd gang (val, kru, mo) |
| ack: |
is that here,? |
| mo/jan: |
present some scenarios |
| mo/jan: |
it begins here |
| mo/jan: |
but bashoo, |
| mo/jan: |
take your time to wrap up |
| mo/jan: |
we still waiting for val, etc. |
| Bashoo: |
a couple items of bizines. the last workshop has now been
posted on the canteen site -- i know several here were there. it's at
slimeworld.org/canteen/ws08tfl.html |
| Bashoo: |
i'll post this log (i hope) too if you want notification
when up email me at bashoo at klingklang.com |
| yoyodyne: |
great |
| mo/jan: |
great |
| Cy&O: |
last month's or bardotown from last night? workshop |
| Bashoo: |
"the four lines" last month |
| Cy&O: |
k |
| mo/jan: |
bashoo, I have a message for the group |
| Bashoo: |
go |
| mo/jan: |
thnx, Bardotown is now up and running. |
| mo/jan: |
Kru and Val await you there |
| mo/jan: |
They have some fun things planned |
| mo/jan: |
But they would also like your feedback |
| Cy&O: |
how to get there from here? |
| mo/jan: |
So please note what you see |
| Bashoo: |
then thanx to all for your work here today... |
| ack: |
thanks |
| mo/jan: |
Thank yoooo bashooooo |
| yoyodyne: |
thankk-you bashoo |
| p: |
thank you david all |
| Cy&O: |
thanks b, great wrkshp |
| gordita: |
thnx |
| p: |
y |
| yoyodyne: |
cya in Bardtown |
