| bashoo: |
great, now i get to sit up here... |
| can: |
yes |
| cy: |
king of the mountain |
| bashoo: |
great... |
| bashoo: |
in last month's workshop |
| bashoo: |
we set an aim |
| bashoo: |
to build a small web site |
| bashoo: |
with the results of our workshop |
| bashoo: |
which i only yesterday |
| bashoo: |
finally got posted at the canteen workshop site |
| bashoo: |
did anyone have a chance to see that yet? |
| eric: |
y |
| can: |
yes |
| ompen: |
n |
| p&d: |
n |
| Guest 9: |
n |
| mike: |
n |
| cy: |
not yet |
| bashoo: |
you can see it at |
| bashoo: |
www.slimeworld.org/canteen/workshop/ws08wthw.html |
| bashoo: |
pithy name, eh? |
| Guest 9: |
yes |
| eric: |
quite |
| cy: |
y |
| bashoo: |
but i'd like to follow the same format this time |
| bashoo: |
since this is a workshop |
| bashoo: |
we're building something here |
| bashoo: |
the experience of the workshop itself |
| bashoo: |
but also an artifact to leave behind |
| bashoo: |
in the form of some web pages |
| bashoo: |
which might be of value to someone else... |
| bashoo: |
the other element |
| bashoo: |
i think is essential here |
| bashoo: |
is that our contributions be real and practical for us |
| bashoo: |
i would call this a "work in the world" workshop |
| bashoo: |
so anyway |
| bashoo: |
whatever you say here after these introductions |
| bashoo: |
can and will be used against you |
| can: |
:) |
| ompen: |
haa |
| bashoo: |
hi gordita! |
| Guest 9: |
yes, especially for those of us not in Ca. |
| bashoo: |
so let's begin with one of those great workshop exercises |
| bashoo: |
and we'll "do the four lines" |
| bashoo: |
together |
| bashoo: |
like really meaning it... |
| bashoo: |
all phenomena is illusion. |
| can: |
All phenomena is illusion |
| eric: |
ALL PHENOMENA IS ILLUSION |
| Guest 9: |
all phenomena is illusion |
| ompen: |
All phenomena is illusion |
| mike: |
all phenomena is illusion |
| bashoo: |
neither attracted nor repelled, |
| can: |
Neither attracted nor repelled, |
| ompen: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
| Gordita: |
All phenoma is illusion |
| p&d: |
all phenonemna is illusion |
| cy: |
all phenomena is illusion |
| mike: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
| eric: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
| Guest 9: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
| Gordita: |
neither attracted nor repeled |
| p&d: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
| can: |
Not making any sudden moves |
| eric: |
not making any sudden moves |
| ompen: |
not making any sudden moves |
| cy: |
neither attracted nor repelled |
| bashoo: |
not making any sudden moves |
| p&d: |
not making any sudden moves |
| Guest 9: |
not making any sudden moves |
| eric: |
my habits will carry me through |
| cy: |
not making any sudden moves |
| mike: |
not making any sudden moves |
| Gordita: |
not making anysudden moves |
| bashoo: |
my habits will carry me through |
| p&d: |
my habits will carry me through |
| can: |
my habits will carry me through |
| ompen: |
my habits will carry me through |
| Guest 9: |
my habits will carry me through. |
| cy: |
my habits will carry me through. |
| mike: |
my habits will carry me through |
| Gordita: |
my habits will carry me through |
| bashoo: |
so my question |
| bashoo: |
to the assembled group here |
| bashoo: |
is |
| bashoo: |
what would you want someone else to know |
| bashoo: |
about the "four lines"? |
| ompen: |
that the "habits" are built in the life and not a
birthright |
| Guest 9: |
They are a tool for navigating the bardo: ron |
| Gordita: |
they are true |
| bashoo: |
true is good |
| bashoo: |
so for navigating the bardo |
| bashoo: |
how do you use that now |
| p&d: |
gratitudinously impartial presence and attention is part of
the habits |
| Guest 9: |
That our patterns of repulsion and attraction form an
identity pattern. tm |
| Gordita: |
that neither attraction nor repulsion matters |
| bashoo: |
yes, our attractions and repulsions |
| bashoo: |
certainly are part of our ordinary identity |
| cy: |
realizing that "reality" is relative live the
truth of the circumstance without attachment to out come |
| cy: |
. |
| bashoo: |
my habits will carry me through... |
| Gordita: |
that sudden moves are not helpful |
| bashoo: |
i'm sure we've all been burnt by those |
| Guest 9: |
y |
| bashoo: |
otherwise, i wouldn't be where i am today |
| Gordita: |
and that personal or intellectual development is
bardo0ically useless... |
| bashoo: |
like right here? |
| eric: |
y |
| Guest 9: |
y |
| Gordita: |
depends on whose here |
| Guest 9: |
or if Who is here. |
| Gordita: |
y |
| p&d: |
no sudden moves like a floating recliner |
| bashoo: |
not even any real decisions |
| bashoo: |
about our lives |
| Gordita: |
to get anywhere without sudden moves, you have to be REAL
persisitent |
| bashoo: |
one focus |
| Guest 9: |
it becomes moving by intent of being rather then machne
action. |
| Guest 9: |
non linear, non plot line. |
| bashoo: |
we think there's a plot line (i do) |
| Guest 9: |
y |
| bashoo: |
or that someone's plotting it (i hope) |
| Guest 9: |
but being 'here' reminds us it's not/ or they're not. |
| Gordita: |
All phenomena is illusion- not just the bad stuff- |
| bashoo: |
yes, the good stuff is really the trap |
| cy: |
patitent with self and all else, not trying to make things
happen is necessary |
| Guest 9: |
can i tell a tibetan story about this? |
| bashoo: |
please... |
| Guest 9: |
Marpa continually told his students |
| Guest 9: |
that all phenomena is illusion |
| Guest 9: |
then one day his son died. |
| Gordita: |
ouch |
| Guest 9: |
He screamed, wept, and grieved for days. |
| Guest 9: |
His students were horrified. |
| Guest 9: |
They said to Marpa, "You said it's all illusion. Why
are |
| Guest 9: |
you carrying on so much?" |
| Guest 9: |
He replied |
| Guest 9: |
"It is illusion, but this is a SUper ILLUSION> |
| Guest 9: |
. |
| Guest 9: |
end |
| bashoo: |
just knowing it in our minds |
| bashoo: |
isn't enough |
| Gordita: |
It has to sink down |
| Guest 9: |
David p. just said that it comes back to question of
emotion. |
| Gordita: |
to where it can determine our actions |
| Guest 9: |
What is the relation of emotion to the illusion? |
| bashoo: |
David P - could you elaborate on that "question of
emotion" |
| Gordita: |
? |
| Guest 9: |
The question that p and d raised earlier. Would you |
| Guest 9: |
repeat it for group, pandd? |
| p&d: |
one second |
| p&d: |
there were two questions |
| p&d: |
what do I work on first, wakening the machine or emotions |
| p&d: |
2nd, is working with others the way to open the heart? |
| Gordita: |
To me, that is the same work- No real emotions- just
habitual sensations- occur until some development occurs- |
| Gordita: |
The four lines help me remember that my "feelings" |
| Gordita: |
are not real or useful |
| bashoo: |
but our feelings |
| bashoo: |
what we call our emotions |
| bashoo: |
are very powerful parts of the machine |
| bashoo: |
when we buy into them |
| bashoo: |
we're not awake |
| bashoo: |
so we're back to the four lines |
| p&d: |
david, how do you view the question? |
| bashoo: |
i don't think we have the luxury |
| bashoo: |
of deciding what to do first |
| Gordita: |
y |
| bashoo: |
or at least |
| bashoo: |
i don't know enough |
| bashoo: |
to strategize my own work |
| bashoo: |
in that kind of detail |
| bashoo: |
and i suspect |
| bashoo: |
you never can |
| Guest 9: |
how is the higher emotional center activated? |
| bashoo: |
so part of our work |
| bashoo: |
to awaken the machine |
| p&d: |
y |
| bashoo: |
details with the "emotions" |
| bashoo: |
and seeing them as illusion |
| eric: |
Nine, pwos chapter one talks about this, no? |
| bashoo: |
which is? |
| eric: |
head brain/tail brain |
| bashoo: |
sure |
| Gordita: |
I just thought of that story of the emporer's new clothes |
| eric: |
activtion of real emotional centre |
| eric: |
go on Gordita |
| Gordita: |
Too much emphasis on emotion |
| Gordita: |
or personal development |
| Gordita: |
is like the king going back to the palace after his shock |
| Gordita: |
FIRMLY resolved |
| Gordita: |
to find a better tailor |
| Gordita: |
rather than |
| Gordita: |
to learn how to rule |
| Gordita: |
? |
| Guest 9: |
But the SUPER ILLUSION evokes higher emotional center |
| bashoo: |
i'd like some better emotions, too |
| p&d: |
popcorn vs awkening? what difference? super illusion? |
| p&d: |
popcorn vs machine awakening? |
| eric: |
i may be slow here but I didn't understand |
| eric: |
that story |
| eric: |
as describing higher emotion |
| eric: |
did it/ |
| eric: |
? |
| bashoo: |
i thought it was a great story |
| bashoo: |
here's what i got |
| bashoo: |
"i'd like some better emotions, too" |
| bashoo: |
a better tailor |
| bashoo: |
rather than |
| bashoo: |
not buying into those emotions |
| bashoo: |
and emphasis on emotions in our work |
| bashoo: |
can be driven by the desire |
| bashoo: |
for self-enhancement |
| bashoo: |
a better suit of emotions |
| bashoo: |
|
| p&d: |
changing self enhancement is a toughy |
| p&d: |
how? |
| p&d: |
its deep |
| p&d: |
who am I? |
| ompen: |
there is a way |
| ompen: |
to recognise |
| ompen: |
the sleep of the machine |
| ompen: |
we begin |
| ompen: |
by observing the physical |
| ompen: |
just exactly |
| ompen: |
because its mechanical |
| ompen: |
manefestations |
| ompen: |
are slow |
| ompen: |
and can be observed |
| ompen: |
as mechanical |
| ompen: |
with time |
| Gordita: |
comparatively |
| ompen: |
right g |
| ompen: |
the intellect |
| ompen: |
which is also |
| ompen: |
a body of mechanical |
| ompen: |
habit |
| ompen: |
is a wee bit faster |
| ompen: |
and more difficult |
| ompen: |
to "focus" on |
| ompen: |
and the "emotions" |
| ompen: |
also mechanical |
| ompen: |
are faster yet |
| ompen: |
in many cases |
| ompen: |
ppl spend |
| ompen: |
the life |
| ompen: |
trying to catch up to |
| ompen: |
the meotions |
| ompen: |
emotions |
| eric: |
hey, all phenomena is ilusion, except my wife, the car and
my self esteem... |
| ompen: |
heheh |
| cy: |
hehe |
| Gordita: |
chortle |
| bashoo: |
that's it... |
| bashoo: |
and maybe marpa's son... |
| eric: |
y |
| Guest 9: |
y |
| eric: |
haha |
| Gordita: |
I keep remembering |
| Gordita: |
that what is real doesn't change |
| Gordita: |
and that's that for MY emotions... |
| bashoo: |
they change? |
| ompen: |
and what's real... can be known |
| cy: |
I laughed at the "except my ..." joke but |
| ompen: |
exactly by its unchangeble quality |
| Gordita: |
but? |
| cy: |
ok |
| cy: |
it's difficult |
| Gordita: |
courage, sister |
| eric: |
of course |
| cy: |
to not be |
| eric: |
it's difficult. |
| cy: |
attracted |
| cy: |
"." |
| cy: |
to |
| cy: |
my son |
| cy: |
to |
| cy: |
not |
| cy: |
attach |
| cy: |
not easy. |
| cy: |
end |
| eric: |
it's funny cy |
| eric: |
but in a really practical |
| eric: |
sense, |
| eric: |
the atachment |
| eric: |
to our kids |
| eric: |
doesn't really do them good |
| cy: |
i know |
| eric: |
the good we want for them... |
| Gordita: |
EJ addrsses that specifically in Secret talks |
| cy: |
do not have "Talks |
| eric: |
which one? |
| Guest 9: |
y, go on |
| Gordita: |
about a kid as an external center of gravity |
| eric: |
right |
| eric: |
right |
| bashoo: |
i remember the event |
| Gordita: |
and how that blocks the parent's work |
| bashoo: |
and ej was speaking to a woman |
| Gordita: |
AND the kid"s |
| Gordita: |
y |
| cy: |
yes! |
| cy: |
this happened |
| cy: |
to me when |
| Gordita: |
like you casn't "USE" your kid |
| Gordita: |
it isn't lawful |
| Guest 9: |
tell us about event bashoo, please. |
| Gordita: |
when? |
| bashoo: |
i have had one experience recently |
| bashoo: |
in my office |
| bashoo: |
related here |
| bashoo: |
i have been trying to give away responsibilities |
| bashoo: |
and i had a new manager |
| bashoo: |
to give some of my work to |
| bashoo: |
and then i saw him moderating meetings |
| bashoo: |
which used to be my meetings |
| Gordita: |
oh boy |
| bashoo: |
and it grabbed me more than i thought it would |
| bashoo: |
it really was an experience of |
| bashoo: |
"dying before you die" |
| bashoo: |
i had to remind myself |
| bashoo: |
that i had asked for it |
| bashoo: |
unfortunately |
| bashoo: |
each time i have tried to give away responsibilities |
| bashoo: |
they come back, and more... |
| Guest 9: |
y |
| cy: |
may I share an experience related to what ellen was saying? |
| bashoo: |
great. go ahead |
| cy: |
my son and i, justin, |
| cy: |
where |
| cy: |
performing in the play |
| cy: |
"A Raisin in the Sun" |
| cy: |
my inability to detach |
| cy: |
almost got him fired |
| cy: |
I was so "concerned" with him |
| cy: |
that I wasn't doing MY job |
| cy: |
I see and am working on |
| cy: |
that |
| cy: |
problem, weakness, whatever? |
| cy: |
in our lives |
| cy: |
so that I am |
| cy: |
no longer a risk to |
| cy: |
either of our work |
| cy: |
end |
| Guest 9: |
yes, there is a machine identification rather then |
| Guest 9: |
a true seeing and acknowledging of the ageless being |
| Guest 9: |
of the "child" whose just happens to be with us. |
| Gordita: |
"Habit"-- I wonder what would happen if one
"read" [ABD] for all those fragmentary deaths of not-self? |
| Guest 9: |
interesting idea |
| Guest 9: |
Thats one reason i like |
| Guest 9: |
Dru's bardo calendar kit. |
| Guest 9: |
You roll dice to find out where you are in the bardos |
| bashoo: |
haven't seen it... |
| Guest 9: |
and then you read backwards to the Clear Light. |
| Guest 9: |
Y, it should |
| Guest 9: |
be available to us thru |
| Guest 9: |
institute but it is carried. ADAM has it though. |
| bashoo: |
neat! |
| p&d: |
9 ? super illusion and emotion clarification ...was there
more to your view? |
| Guest 9: |
isn't carried. sorry |
| Guest 9: |
n |
| Gordita: |
ADAM? |
| bashoo: |
we're coming up on the end of our time together |
| Guest 9: |
Ancient Dance and Music org. by Dru. |
| bashoo: |
so if anyone else has a story |
| bashoo: |
they'd like to contribute here |
| can: |
yes, |
| can: |
yesterday, some of you were here |
| can: |
when Marshall Law |
| can: |
busted in on us |
| Gordita: |
y |
| can: |
who was here? |
| eric: |
y |
| ompen: |
i was |
| Guest 9: |
y |
| p&d: |
here |
| cy: |
y |
| can: |
that was an four lines time for me |
| eric: |
don't forget sexy gumby |
| Gordita: |
y |
| cy: |
oh y |
| can: |
yes but he wasn't |
| Gordita: |
but much lower key |
| can: |
as violent |
| Guest 9: |
ysexy was well behaved |
| ompen: |
four lines time? |
| cy: |
marsh was the big bardo moment though |
| can: |
I got the chance to notice |
| can: |
that "I" was not the blue head |
| can: |
that "I" was here |
| can: |
in a room |
| can: |
separate really from the character in the screen |
| can: |
and that Marshall Law could not do anything |
| can: |
to me or any of us |
| ompen: |
i didnt think any one gave ol Marsh the time of day |
| Gordita: |
may be his only contact with the work in this lifetime... |
| ompen: |
i thought it was blown totally |
| can: |
so because of this |
| can: |
method of work |
| can: |
the phenomena as illusion leaked in for a moment |
| can: |
... |
| can: |
thank-you |
| Gordita: |
unfriendly guide |
| bashoo: |
thank you... |
| eric: |
good can |
| Guest 9: |
thank you and a bow to bashoo |
| can: |
thank-you, bashoo for this wonderful workshop |
| Gordita: |
thnks bashoo |
| eric: |
gracias david |
| cy: |
thank you bashoo |
| p&d: |
y t hanks |
| mike: |
thanks bashoo |
| bashoo: |
thank you all -- last call for immortal "four
lines" stories |
| Guest 9: |
y, |
| Guest 9: |
just remember the basic mantra |
| Guest 9: |
everything that we deal with is either |
| Guest 9: |
yum or yuck. |
| Gordita: |
All phenomena is... |
| bashoo: |
that's great... i hadn't heard that formulation... but i
like it... |
| eric: |
neither yum nor yuk |
| Guest 9: |
y |
| p&d: |
fast |
| bashoo: |
so can, are we ready for our next event, or what? |
| Gordita: |
y |
| can: |
yes, we are |
| can: |
pe is here |
